agameofclothes

Anonymous asked:

I would never defend rape, so I hope this won't offend . But my perception as to why the scene was like that, was to show how twisted Jaime and Cersei's relationship is. They believe they love each other when neither knows what it means, but they've carried their incestual relationship for so long that it's all they know. Also Cersei, as a character, views love as a weakness, so while she may have feelings of longing, she would hesitate to show them. Still,did not expect it to go down like that.

agameofclothes answered:

I guess they could have been going for that, but if they were, I didn’t really see it that way. I wanted to post tat collection of reviews because I thought there were some good points.

 Also because I feel really embarrassed for the show, and that people who haven’t read the books will see this and just think that ASOIAF is just about abuse towards women, when really GRRM’s women are so strong and interesting.  

agameofclothes:

ferreted:

Thiis this this. I’m worried for the ramifications of this on Cersei’s character, but also for Jaime’s, and not just in relation to each other.  As has been stated in other reviews, Jaime had saved Brienne from this fate last season.  I don’t understand why they made the change unless this is somehow how they perceived their “love” scene to be, but the book clearly wasn’t rape because she consented eventually.

Jaime was on his path to (semi) redemption, but this?  I feel like this was an unintentional character assassination, and I worry about what it will do for the rest of the character development for these two.  I hope, at the very least, that they make it clear as to their purpose come the next episode(s), although I’m not certain anything they can do at this point will smooth over what has been done.

Has anyone seen/heard what Martin has said about it, if anything?  It has me wondering if he perceived that scene to be this way, too. I doubt it is considering how perceptive he is and how intensely he writes realistic reactions.

I just wonder how much they’re going to veer this away.  I’m okay with a lot of the changes from the books that they’ve made so far, but this one boggles me and saddens me infinitely.  I fear they may have just twisted and ruined one of my favorite characters.

Here are GRRM’s comments on the scene, he doesn’t defend the change but he doesn’t outrightly criticise the change. 

“In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey’s death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.

The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other’s company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why [producers] played the sept out differently. But that’s just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.

Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime’s POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don’t know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.

If the show had retained some of Cersei’s dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression — but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.

That’s really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing… but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons.” from here

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